Fair play to the veterans
Why cant the Malayan Veterans get the medal they earned, which wont cost this government nothing, is it because none of the barlams have served thier country in time off need. Whitehall 'insult' claim as Malaya veterans miss out on medals IAN BRUCE, Defence Correspondent January 10 2006 THE HERALD Tens of thousands of British veterans are likely to have an offer of campaign medals withdrawn by the Malaysian government because it feels insulted by Whitehall red tape and diplomatic delays. The medals were offered 11 months ago to British and Commonwealth soldiers - mostly national servicemen - who won a jungle war against communist insurgents in the 1950s and 1960s. The withdrawal follows a decision by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office that the veterans could accept the medals, but that they would not be allowed to wear them on Armistice parades because it contravened rules on "foreign medals awarded for events in the distant past". As revealed by The Herald last month, a Cabinet Office committee had already made up its mind on the issue, but decided to delay an announcement until the new year. About 30,000 surviving UK veterans are understood to have been eligible to receive the Pingat Jasa Malaysia medal to commemorate their part in the Malayan "emergency". The conflict was not elevated to the status of a war because that would have rendered insurance on British-owned rubber plantations and railways - both prime targets for the communist guerrillas - void. A total of 519 British troops were killed in the conflict in more than a decade of ambushes and raids in some of the most inhospitable terrain on earth. Scottish regiments suffered 95 of the fatalities. The Malaysian government offered to supply the campaign medals at its own expense last year to honour the men who underwrote its existence and sovereignty. No Malaysian government spokesman was available for comment yesterday. However, senior British military sources say that the Malaysians feel insulted and are maintaining a low profile to avoid a diplomatic row. Brigadier Allan Alstead, a former commander of 51st Highland Brigade who served as a 19-year-old second lieutenant in Malaya, said yesterday: "This is an insult not only to the Malaysians, who were kind enough to offer to supply and pay for the decorations, but to the many thousands of soldiers, sailors and airmen who gave up two years of their young lives to fight a forgotten war. Makes the British government as popular as fa*t in a space suit! Replies:
Sod this lilly livered lot Im going to buy my own.If a RN chappie can wear the Russian Freindship Medal then I can wear the Pingat Jasa.
If you all apply to the Malaysians, and all decide to wear it - who can stop you? The government is afraid of numbers, and will probably respond very favourably, very quickly. Last edited by Byron Smith
I served at RAF Seletar 1960/62 on 34 Squadron and as such do not have anything to show for my Far East service. Now at last there is something to show for similar ex-servicemen - but as usual the politicians have got it wrong - in a typical mealy mouthed way they are refusing to accept that a foreign government recognises my service - even if our own does not! As such I have written to Michael Mates MP (and received a reply) and intend to write to Baroness Symons who has some say in this matter. I hope that I hear something soon and suggest that we all put pen to paper to expedite the situation.
Quoting: David LLoyd I served at RAF Seletar 1960/62 on 34 Squadron and as such do not have anything to show for my Far East service. Now at last there is something to show for similar ex-servicemen - but as usual the politicians have got it wrong - in a typical mealy mouthed way they are refusing to accept that a foreign government recognises my service - even if our own does not! As such I have written to Michael Mates MP (and received a reply) and intend to write to Baroness Symons who has some say in this matter. I hope that I hear something soon and suggest that we all put pen to paper to expedite the situation. welcom david and the best of luck to you m8
This prevarication by our el Presidente and his blind followers has lead to something good. Searching for answers to our questions about the PJM lead me to the NMBVA web site where I discovered that the chairman of that august body is someone I served with back in 1964! Amazing!
It has always seemed to me that the British army had one great failing, that is, that it never recognised outstanding service, or deeds of great bravery that it should have done. During my passage from Sword Beach to the German border. A time of almost continuous action, I witnessed many deeds of gallantry, far beyond what might be expected. At the same time, there were men that gave outstanding service in action that were never recognised, and that is a crying shame. I can recall many instances where our officers richly deserved an award for their deeds, yet were ignored, I also recall (with some sadness, he was killed on the last day of the war) A corporal that was given all the dangerous tasks and actions, he picked his own squad, and too often, he beckoned me. Something I detested! That corporal was never given an award for outstanding service, because it was expected of him, and "normal" for him. He was the one the officers turned to as a matter of natural habit. As I say it was expected. I can recall Officers like Lt Arthur Heal RE of my company that in the company of two sappers cleared a path through the "Hillman" Defences under heavy fire, a defence post some 650 meters by 450 meters. (He gave me a copy of his citation) The French awarded him the Croix de Geurre. The British never recognised him at all. Yet this was a vital and pivotal moment of the D-day invasion. For him from the British? Nothing. Then it was my turn, after the battles for Overloon and Venraij in Limburg, Holland. My officer took me to one side and informed me that I was to get the CinCs Citation. Known then as "Monty's certificates" Monty thought that we did not reward our men, so he brought out his own award. And I was to get one! Best thing was, he came to award it in the field. Shortly after, I was wounded again, but this time there would be not going back, Flown back to England I was encased in plaster from head to foot. A whole body plaster. (Spica) I had leg, knee, and spinal injuries. Each day, this 19 year old waited impatiently for the hospital postman to arrive with my award. He never did. Even after 62 years, I still feel cheated. Can you imagine a 19 year old waiting day after day? Can you imagine the disappointment? In later years, I made inquiries and was told that there was no such thing. It's a long time ago. But I never forgot: never will. Brian
Gday all. I live down under now as many former ratings, airmen and soldiers do, who are entitled to this recognition from the Malayan government, and I certainly will be proud to wear it. One of the problems down here is, that we dont know the relevent ministers to write to about the non -accepting of these medals by the stiff shirts up in Westminster. So if some-one could provide us with the names and addresses of these idiots, Im sure that there would be hundreds of complaints going from downunder, to Whitehall, or where ever. Keep up the good work. Thanks in advance Doug Welch.