Son of 'I've been wondering'
I believe it is divisive and will lead to confrontation and exacerbate racism. There are many more cases where a day could be nominated as a suitable one on which to commemorate someone who has been killed unlawfully. PC Blakelock or the soldier Lee Rigby both of whom were serving personnel at the time of their murders and I feel would warrant such a memorial day and both more worthy of one.
I don't expect everyone to agree with me but I would like to hear more opinions on this subject.
I'm certain that there are many cases worthy of special mention and none more so than the two in your post. I think that this case is solely down to the sheer tenacity of Stephens mother to get to the bottom of the way the case was handled and to expose the wrongs of the police force at the time. No one is suggesting that their job isn't difficult but only too often these blunders come to light. The papers are littered with cases past and present, Hillsborough for example, where is has taken persistent lobbying and protesting to grind out a result. This case obviously sparks more interest because of ethnicity. I don't think that it will exacerbate racism. That exists and always will, especially amongst people who can only express their views by violence and mob rule. Rant over.
Well i agree with every word you say. whilst i do not condone this young Lads murder neither do i believe the event should be elevatd above any other senseless crime..
I still can't believe they made his mother a Baroness.
As for Sir Lennie Henry, Britain's No.1 Racist. He spent some time in the "Black and White Minstrels". Where were his 'racist' views then?
Whatever the history of the Stephen Lawrence travesty of justice, each of us will have a list of folks more richly deserving a special day, but we'd need more than 365 days in a year.
It ain't your world Terry and I guess it ain't mine either. Like your estimation of Simon Weston Kim...and I'm sure you're right.
Roy, I go on facebook and the amount of comments I have seen already make me believe that my point suggesting that the introduction of a day of remembrance will provoke more racism or strengthen it is proof of my theory. Once the ball starts rolling one way someone kicks it back and the divide widens. The police behaved casually but if they had reason to believe that the lad was working for his killers then they may have known he was scamming them. However, no matter their failings in this I cannot condemn them too harshly for taking the view that it's simply one less villain on the patch - even though he would have been a minor one. No pun intended. To label the whole of the Met Police in the way it was done was monumentally stupid and in itself put back race relations for years.
My feelings are that the police may well have known as JR has inferred that the lad may well have been involved with the ones who killed him. Schoolboys always need a bit more cash so it is feasible that he was and with people like that they have little compunction so would have had no problem in making it a warning to others.
JR, Lenny Henry is undoubtedly racist but maybe the cash he was getting in the B & W Minstrel Show served to help him to swallow his feelings while he was in it. Stephen Lawrence's mother was ennobled for no other purpose than to act, using a new term, as virtue signalling to again soothe the feelings of the black community.
Syd, I think I've more or less covered your points about the police but thanks for your post and that goes for every comment made in answer to my opening post. You're right of course - it ain't my world so there's little I can do about things.
Regards to all - Terry.
In answer to your comments on the replies to your thread. Firstly, I don't go on Facebook or twitter as I deplore them both. They allow mindless idiots to post their particular brand of rubbish at will,irrespective of whom it damages. I still don't think that it will provoke racism. The bit about Stephens involvement with his attackers is supposition or if not should have been brought to the fore. I don't agree with it being made into a day of remembrance as it looks like appeasement to me. What everyone with racist views should reflect on is the huge numbers of non indigenous soldiers, sailors and airmen who lost their lives fighting for this inclusive land of ours. They were good enough then.
You are right of course about the mindless idiots who use Facebook in that manner but there are many more who are intelligent enough to post pertinent observations. I use it to keep in touch with some people who were once FR members but who got fed up of mindless idiots spoiling things for all of us. Then there are the web sites for Old Comrades and I am in several although I spend little time posting but browse to see who is still alive - morbid I know but there you go and partly tongue in cheek. I have other pursuits and one of late has been researching into what hearing aids are available as the ones from the NHS are of little use. I have in fact picked up some useful information and go tomorrrow back to hospital to see an audiologist so hopefully I can get mine reprogrammed to my liking.
That's all for now, regards,
With the absence of curriculae giving British History any presence or meaning many do not know of the contribution of the many countries who sent men and maybe women to assist us during WW2 and other conflicts. The racism is mainly down to lack of education and the numbers of foreigners who have no right legally or morally to be here but yet are present among us and that has been down to all the major parties.
PS. OOPS - don't know what happened there but I've no doubt anyone interested will be able to make sense of the post.
I saw an audiologist today I haven't seen previously and who was the best of the lot so far. We talked about all manner of technicalities and he listened very carefully to everything I said. He didn't try to talk down but was interested to hear of how I came to know so much about the subject. It was because of my days singing around the clubs and using PA systems. He reset my aids and first impressions are very favourable. It will take a little while to get used to them but to hear my voice almost as clearly as it used to sound instead of like a Dalek and I've had a little twang on one of my guitars. Again very promising so I may well be able to do a few tunes and add them to my You Tube page. If the retuning is not ultimately up to what I want I'll certainly try Amplifon and have thought of them before after seeing their adverts. Thanks for the recommendation and good wishes and I'll keep you posted.
a true hero if there ever was one. I feel that he deserves a 'Day' more than the Lawrence boy.
Look at the fine face he lost.
What was left of him lay screaming, and a sergeant put his rifle to his head and shot him. My Dad said it was the bravest act he had ever seen.
You don't have to be John Wayne to be a hero.
Is anybody else fed up to the back teeth with Harry and Megan's wedding?
As for the Royal Wedding if it rains i suppose they will get Cliff Richard and his Shadow (Gloria Honeyford) to Perform like he used to do at Wimbledon.
I used to have lots of time for both Harry and Will but the older they get the more they seem to have lost the Royal ways we come to expect.
The Queen is still doing the job properly, so is Princess Anne. Many years ago, when I was in the Navy, I met the lovely Princess Alexandra. She was so regal, warm and courteous, a great credit to the firm.
Hi Syd - as they say - 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder' and I still love you anyway!
I wonder if Harry is worried about James Hewitt popping in ?
For anyone else who thinks it clever to joke about Harry's paternity may I point out that Harry was born ages before his mother even met Hewitt.
I think that William was maybe a little fortunate to have found and married Kate just Maybe Harry felt the need to strike out a little from the constraints of the Royal Household. Whilst I do hope it all works out for him I also feel it would have been perhaps more fitting to have had a Ceremony somewhere a bit less Royal than Windsor I thought that a Bride turning up for the Third time of Marriage should be wearing a long white Bridal gown and then her Mother walking her part way down the Aisle wearing Dreadlocks and a Nose stud both quite unsuitable. Respect and Dignity must be in there somewhere
Not sure if Diana would have not stayed faithful until a few years after their marriage when the old Slapper Camilla reappeared who it seems had been his girlfriend sometime earlier. after they got divorced it is not surprising she "Put it about a bit" as you phrase it. after all she was an extremely good looking young women and he was a frumpy old fashioned man.
She must have felt very well used by the Royal Household.
It's often said that men marry their mothers in the sense that many end up with women who have a superficial resemblance to theirs. Harry has married a woman who also has a prominent nose and a strong chin which is slightly prognatheous - ie sticks out a bit due to one side of her ancestry. Only superficial resemblance but enough in my view to have influenced him.
I don't consider either Diana or Meghan to be the kind of woman I would have married because I don't think their looks are attractive. Purely personal and I am not looking for arguments. I didn't marry a woman who looked like my mother who was a buxom type, being polite, and who stood 5' 5", brown haired and brown eyed. My wife is petite, blue eyed, blonde and stood 5'1" when we married. A bit less now as we all shrink but nothing like my mother. (Thank - who or whatever!!!!)
As John Richards mentioned Princess Anne has been a Bright Light in the Royal Household.