South Atlantic Medal Without Rosette
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We do not ask for a South Atlantic Medal with Rosette, But one without.
This is not in any way to undermine the existing members of the SAM with ROSETTE. The SAM without Rosette was awarded to sevice personel on the Ascensions 4000 miles away and back in the UK. We sailed as OPERATION CORPERATE FALKLANDS TASK FORCE and came home as OPERATION CORPERATE as well as those Army Regiments and also the RAF.
They should make this happen even if its 30 years to late!!!
After the Argentine surrender thing were not concluded in the Falklands, Yes the Fighting had ended but much work was still needed to be done which can not be done in 30 Days. It all boils down to Money!! And lack of will.
Thanks very much for your support this is not just for the above ships, this is also for the Army, RAF, and the RFAS much work still needed to be done. all conflicts after this, were awarded medals along time after they had stopped the fighting stage. Major things still happened after the 14th june..... Southern Thule fell on the 20th June..... Gurkha Rifleman killed at Goose Green 24th June.... A scrambled GR3 caused serious injuries to eleven Welsh Guards from a sidewinder missile on the of 13 July at Stanley Airfield. Ships still going to Action Stations as well as using live ammunition against Subs and AGIS mine fields etc. A safe place was not a place called the Falklands for a long long time after the 141th of June 82. This is for all the People who were part of Operation Corporate!!!
This will is not to undermine the Brave people who were awarded the SAM with Rosette, as this is for the SAM without Rosette, the same as the people on the Ascensions 3300 miles away and further afield.
i served on HMS Glamorgan during the conflict and received my sam with rosette some 10m months later through the mail in a beat up box. i was disgusted with this but at least i got one. we could only do oyr job because of the people behind us and the ones on the way to take over from us. The job was not concluded on the 14th of june. credit is due to all, give the guys and girls thier medals.
Any info on him or anyone that knew him would be helpful.
On a lighter note - one crew member in my mess was so distraught about missing out on the SAM by only a few days that we had our engineers make one for him with the words Not the Falkland Island Medal inscribed. We had our very valued 1st Lt. present it to him along with a pint of beer to cheer him up.
Lets hope they do look seriously at all those campaigns mentioned in the Report and act correctly this time round. They will not open pandoras box. Service Personnel are far too sensible for that.
Allen Walker (Ex CWEM(R) - HMS Diomede)
Sir John Holmes Medal Review Team have now submitted their report on the South Atlantic Medal without Rosette to the Cabinet Office, for the above extension to the criteria set, post July 12Th 1982 for the above Medal. This will then go to the Sub HD Committee and then to the HD Committee as per Sir Johns Medal review Report in July 2012. If anyone would like any more info please contact myself or Ian Mcvitie. Hope this is of help and keeps you all up to speed.
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Nigels email address remains the same.
I have read your post above and you are correct in what you say. But I am very interested in the sapper that you talk about who has lost his leg and didnt get a medal. Also can you tell me the Woolwich Surgeons report that you talk about. In fact six out of eleven cases wounded after the cease fire required amputations from mines etc. Much more is coming out about this day by day. So if you can contact me that would be great.
Charles Kennedy (Liberal Democrat)
To ask the Minister for the Cabinet Office when he expects to receive the report of Sir John Holmesâ€™ independent review of military medal arrangements; and if he will make a statement.
Francis Maude (Minister for the Cabinet Office, Conservative)
Sir John Holmes is continuing his work on military medals. The Committee on the Grant of Honours, Decorations and Medals (HD Committee will meet early in the new year to discuss his further recommendations.
Hansard source (Citation: HC Deb, 18 November 2013, c794W)
Note: Indications from the medal review team is that all medals have been reviewed and reports have been sent to Government. They are not in a position to elaborate further.
We donâ€™t know what the HD Committeeâ€™s decision was at the end of last month but we have been assured by the Medal review team that they will let us know when they find out. We remain positive.
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2014 2:25 PM
Subject: HD Committee
Dear Mr McVitie,
Thank you for your e-mail of 3 February. I can confirm that HD Committee met last month and discussed recommendations by Sir John Holmes about military medals. There are, however, still a number of further steps that have to be taken before any announcement can be made and work on this is in hand. No date has yet been set for any announcement.
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Just wanted to give everyone an update of where myself and Nigel are on the campaign.
The Full Honours and Decorations Committee met at the end of last month to discuss further recommendations made by Sir John Holmes regarding the SAM and other medals and I had a reply back from the Cabinet Office stating that there are still further steps before an announcement can be made. We are hoping for an announcement soon.
5th February 2014 -
"..I can confirm that the HD Committee met last month and discussed recommendations by Sir John Holmes about military medals.
There are, however, still a number of further steps that have to be taken before any announcement can be made and work on this is in hand. No date has yet been set for any announcement."
28th February -
Thank you for your e-mail of 28 February and your e-mail earlier today.
Following HD Committeeâ€™s meeting last month, the next stage in the process is for HD Committeeâ€™s report to go forward for final approval. I fear that I cannot predict when this process will be completed. Once approval has been given an announcement will be made though, as I have already advised, no decisions have yet been made about what form such an announcement will take.
HD Committee reports are not published.
Nigel and myself have been working hard behind the scenes on this since our meeting at the Cabinet Office in Jun 2012 and we hope that now the final report from the HD Committee is awaiting its final approval from Her Majesty that a decision will be imminent.
James Wharton (Stockton South, Conservative)
To ask the Minister for the Cabinet Office
(1) when the Honours and Decorations Committee last met to consider the recommendations put forward by Sir John Holmes regarding the rules for the awarding of military medals;
(2) when the Honours and Decorations Committees report from its last meeting to consider the recommendations of Sir John Holmes will go forward for final approval.
Hansard source (Citation: HC Deb, 13 March 2014, c286W)
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Francis Maude (The Minister for the Cabinet Office and Paymaster General; Horsham, Conservative)
The Committee on the Grant of Honours, Decorations and Medals (HD Committee) met in January 2014 and considered a number of recommendations put forward by Sir John Holmes regarding the rules for awarding military medals. The Committees report is now in the process of being formally approved
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Sir John Holmes has now completed his Medal Review and we are pleased to announce that the criteria for this medal has now been extended to October the 21st 1982. This is for the SAM without Rosette, this is the official end date for Operation Corporate. This will cover all 3 Armed Services and also the Merchant Navy. Congratulations to all. Nigel Morris and Ian MacVitie
Hi Peter Ziolkowski, rember me from 50 Sqn?
To follow this and how to apply for your medal I will attach this link.www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN06514.pdf Once you go on this link look for the Leader of the House of Lords, you will see Independent medal Review. You can then click on all files and this will bring you to the South Atlantic Medal. You can also see all the results on medals since 1945. Hope this is of help to you all.
Sorry about the sad loss of your Father along with so many other people who have sadly Crossed the Bar since 1982.
Answer to your Question, Yes your family will be able to claim your late Fathers Medal, all you will need to do is go on the Veterans UK Website and down load the medal application form and it will take you through the stages.
Sadly I did not serve with your late dad as I was on HMS Diomede in 1982, but I am sure he was a very fine and upstanding man.
Applications for the Medal will start from October the 1st 2014, but the Medal office will now let you start applying.