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Fr Admin 30 March 2012 09:55
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Armed Forces Scabs - Unite branch secretary Donald McDougall

A UNION militant has caused a storm after branding as "scabs" soldiers being trained to drive fuel tankers.

wrote on Facebook: "If the Army take action in this dispute, they cannot call it duty. Be honest, wear the badge scab with pride."

His remarks brought a furious response from other posters. One said: "Your post is an insult to the Armed Forces." Another added: "You are an absolute disgrace."

Unite last night distanced itself from McDougall, who works at Hondas Swindon factory. A spokesman said: "Some of our tanker driver representatives are ex-Army and some have children serving in Afghanistan."

Phil B - Lets see him say that on the next Firemans strike and his house is on fire or Ambulance Strike and his child is choking or severely ill!
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Bob Clarke 1 April 2012 17:43
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Not suprised

This country consitantly lets the intellectually lazy have the loudest voice. Union boss at Swindon Honda? Sounds like he is living the dream wouldnt you say!   Right behind you boys, could be Clapham High Street, Stanley or Afghanistan, we owe you big time! Last edited by bob clarke
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John Lock 6 April 2012 20:33
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Army Tanker Drivers are Not Scabs!

Every man and woman in civvy street is entitled to withdraw his/her labour and go on strike. They only lose that days pay. Any serviceman or woman withdrawing labour gets ordered to do a job and cant refuse without facing a charge. I dont agree that the services should be forced to do civvy jobs especially at army rates of pay but if they dont do as theyre ordered none of the emergency services will have the fuel to get us to hospital in a life and death situation, there will be no firemen putting the fire in your house out and there will be no police catching the scum thats just stolen your car. Weve all been there before, the tanker drivers have a choice, do the job or leave and allow someone who wants the job to take it.
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Nobby 6 April 2012 21:28
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Quoting: bob clarke [I]This country consitantly lets the intellectually lazy have the loudest voice. Union boss at Swindon Honda? Sounds like he is living the dream wouldn't you say!   ] I like that Bob, and so true. The trouble is that attributing intellect to this Union man is much the same as doing it to a cabbage, with much the same result. Hes a relic from the age of "Brothers" and "Comrades" and "you cant touch me Im part of the union" breed, and therefore not that bright.
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Cave Adsum 6 April 2012 23:15
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Seem to remember some years ago, late 1960s I think, where the Belgian doctors decided to strike. The government of the day conscripted the lot into the army and ordered them to do their jobs for less pay.
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Nobby 7 April 2012 01:09
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Its a bit rich for a Union man to describe servicemen as "scabs" when the servicemen is merely doing what all servicemen do: serve! Unions, the responsible ones that is, were formerly the powerhouses of working-class democracy and the generators of workers' power but have become self-selecting oligarchies, against which all dissent crashes and burns.
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Al 7 April 2012 08:46
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Colin, Youre right. Nowadays, it seems that they want to destroy the countries infrastructure. If that petrol drivers strike had gone ahead over Easter the country would have been brought to a virtual standstill despite the Army taking over deliveries. The panic buying (mainly caused by Dave & Co.) is a natural human reaction for the majority, so many pumps were already empty. Even some supermarkets reported higher than normal food sales as it doesnt take a genius to work out that no or limited fuel might mean no deliverly. How a relatively small group of HGV drivers on £45,000 pa are disatisfied is beyond me. There a thousands whod die for that kind of salary, and a 37 hour working week. Trouble is, Dave hasnt got the balls to do a Maggie and fight the union. ACAS might solve the problem.
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Geordie 7 April 2012 10:36
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I remember when the army had to stand in when the Ulster Workers Council (UWC) general strike was on in Northern Ireland in 1974. We were all over the shop and it wasnt just fuel that we had to transport around the region. I must admit though.....Having "Army" advertised on the sides of those vehicles,especially the ones carrying fuel was a bit of a worry at times. Thats me, top right.
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Bomber 7 April 2012 11:51
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Same as the dock strikes in 1947 we had to deliver rations to the shops however, we always came away with bacon and meat to eek out our ration cards whilst on leave.
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Sit Vis Nobiscum. 7 April 2012 12:31
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Quoting: Alan Mudge Colin, How a relatively small group of HGV drivers on £45,000 pa are disatisfied is beyond me. There a thousands who'd die for that kind of salary, and a 37 hour working week. I know this is only a part of your quote Alan, the point is that the drivers are not dissatisfied with their pay, or their working hours ----------------------------------------------------------------- The union representing fuel tanker drivers has claimed their working conditions have been "eroded", ahead of peace talks to avoid strike action. The Unite union and fuel distributors are expected to meet on Wednesday to resolve a dispute that has raised the threat of a strike by tanker drivers, and prompted widespread panic-buying of petrol and diesel last week. The situation on forecourts was returning to normal on Monday as fuel companies restocked petrol stations. The talks come after the government was forced to defend its handling of the situation following fierce criticism. Speaking to ITVs Daybreak, the assistant general secretary of Unite, Diana Holland, said: "Everybody involved on behalf of Unite, the trade union members, and the oil tanker drivers, is saying we want a negotiated settlement. That wont happen without all parties coming together. "This industry used to be one run by the oil companies alone. Over the years its been contracted out to other companies and the conditions and the terms were kept pretty solidly at the beginning. But over the years they have become eroded and eroded." She added: "This is not a new issue. We have been alerting the government all the way along. "The people that are on the best conditions, the best rates of pay and the best training - we want to keep that for them. "We want to put a floor in, under which no one can fall. When the contract negotiations take place, we want the oil companies, the retailers, and the distribution companies to say no one will fall below this standard. Representatives of fuel tanker companies will hold discussions with the conciliation service Acas on Monday over an agenda for the talks. If those discussions are successful, formal talks between the companies, Unite and fuel tanker drivers are pencilled in for the middle of the week. Initial discussions are not expected to be face to face, in line with normal Acas procedures, but will be held with the parties in separate rooms in an attempt to maintain a positive atmosphere. Hopes for an end to the dispute have been raised after a week in which panic over the threat of strikes led to petrol station closures, and a woman suffered severe burns while decanting petrol in her kitchen. A Department of Energy and Climate Change spokesman said stock levels at filling stations are moving towards normal levels, with decreasing numbers of stations experiencing stock outs. He said there was "no urgency" to top up tanks with a strike over Easter having been ruled out. Unites driver members, who deliver fuel for 90% of the UKs petrol stations, cannot launch lightning strikes because of laws forbidding walkouts at less then seven days notice. Sources close to the talks said an agreed agenda was crucial, with fuel distributors adamant that introducing national pay bargaining was not an option for discussion. Tanker drivers want common standards for safety and training, and an industry forum to oversee those issues. Unite has submitted nine points of discussion to Acas. On Sunday, William Hague, the foreign secretary and Conservative deputy leader, defended the governments role during the petrol scare. He said on the BBCs Andrew Marr Show: "I think my colleagues have done absolutely the right thing to urge people to take sensible precautions and I think they will be vindicated by events over the coming days and weeks." ----------------------------------------------------------------- Im not a great trades union supporter, but that last paragraph shows the William Hague is far out of touch with whats going on as he should know that strikes cannot go ahead without seven days notice, the government started the panic, probably to divert attention, or more likely opening mouths before collective brains engaged.
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Sit Vis Nobiscum. 7 April 2012 12:44
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Quoting: Colin Davies I know this is only a part of your quote Alan, the point is that the drivers are not dissatisfied with their pay, or their working hours ----------------------------------------------------------------- The union representing fuel tanker drivers has claimed their working conditions have been "eroded", ahead of peace talks to avoid strike action. The Unite union and fuel distributors are expected to meet on Wednesday to resolve a dispute that has raised the threat of a strike by tanker drivers, and prompted widespread panic-buying of petrol and diesel last week. The situation on forecourts was returning to normal on Monday as fuel companies restocked petrol stations. The talks come after the government was forced to defend its handling of the situation following fierce criticism. Speaking to ITV's Daybreak, the assistant general secretary of Unite, Diana Holland, said: "Everybody involved on behalf of Unite, the trade union members, and the oil tanker drivers, is saying we want a negotiated settlement. That won't happen without all parties coming together. "This industry used to be one run by the oil companies alone. Over the years it's been contracted out to other companies and the conditions and the terms were kept pretty solidly at the beginning. But over the years they have become eroded and eroded." She added: "This is not a new issue. We have been alerting the government all the way along. "The people that are on the best conditions, the best rates of pay and the best training - we want to keep that for them. "We want to put a floor in, under which no one can fall. When the contract negotiations take place, we want the oil companies, the retailers, and the distribution companies to say no one will fall below this standard. Representatives of fuel tanker companies will hold discussions with the conciliation service Acas on Monday over an agenda for the talks. If those discussions are successful, formal talks between the companies, Unite and fuel tanker drivers are pencilled in for the middle of the week. Initial discussions are not expected to be face to face, in line with normal Acas procedures, but will be held with the parties in separate rooms in an attempt to maintain a positive atmosphere. Hopes for an end to the dispute have been raised after a week in which panic over the threat of strikes led to petrol station closures, and a woman suffered severe burns while decanting petrol in her kitchen. A Department of Energy and Climate Change spokesman said stock levels at filling stations are moving towards normal levels, with decreasing numbers of stations experiencing stock outs. He said there was "no urgency" to top up tanks with a strike over Easter having been ruled out. Unite's driver members, who deliver fuel for 90% of the UK's petrol stations, cannot launch lightning strikes because of laws forbidding walkouts at less then seven days' notice. Sources close to the talks said an agreed agenda was crucial, with fuel distributors adamant that introducing national pay bargaining was not an option for discussion. Tanker drivers want common standards for safety and training, and an industry forum to oversee those issues. Unite has submitted nine points of discussion to Acas. On Sunday, William Hague, the foreign secretary and Conservative deputy leader, defended the government's role during the petrol scare. He said on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show: "I think my colleagues have done absolutely the right thing to urge people to take sensible precautions and I think they will be vindicated by events over the coming days and weeks." ----------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not a great trades union supporter, but that last paragraph shows the William Hague is  far out of touch with what's going on as he should know that strikes cannot go ahead without seven days notice, the government started the panic, probably to divert attention, or more likely opening mouths before collective brains engaged. As to Donald McDougalls comments they are beyond contempt. Last edited by Colin Davies Last edited by Colin Davies Apologies for repeat; hit wrong button Last edited by Colin Davies
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None 6 May 2012 12:04
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Trades Union Militant sums it up, another idiot who needs to see a proctologist as hes talking through his
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