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Awful news this morning that six Soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan, Four from a Yorkshire reg. and two from a Lancs reg. As they were in an Armoured vehicle it must have been some explosion. Such a waste of young life.
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Vicky 7 March 2012 10:35
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Jd that is awful news. I have been wtching the Royal Marines in Afghanistan on channel 5 and that really bought home what a dangerous job they are doing out there. Several marines from 42 cdo were killed and injured.
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Very sad when any Coalition forces are Killed and Lest We Forget.
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They went with songs to the battle, they were young, Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow, They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted. They fell with their faces to the foe. They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old, Age shall not weary them or the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning, We will remember them.
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Quoting: John Richards They went with songs to the battle, they were young, Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow, They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted. They fell with their faces to the foe. They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old, Age shall not weary them or the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning, We will remember them. What i find so sad John is that it seems such a fruitless waste of life over there. without reverting to history it seems no forces can win in that awful Godless country.
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Quoting: John Richards They went with songs to the battle, they were young, Straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow, They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted. They fell with their faces to the foe. They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old, Age shall not weary them or the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning, We will remember them. We Shall Remember Them.
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Quoting: john daly What i find so sad John is that it seems such a fruitless waste of life over there. without reverting to history it seems no forces can win in that awful Godless country. Iwander what goes through the minds Afghans, Iraqies, Llibyians and all memembers of the Muslim brother and sisterhood on hearing the news of british service men giving their lives to bring stability to their Countries whilst they live here in safety and comfort instead like true countrymen they would pack their bags and go home and assist in bringing the same sort of values and benefits to their own peoples that they get for doing nothing in this country . as for the guys we have just lost GOD BLESS THEM ALL. ----------------------------------
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Quoting: maurice robinson Iwander what goes through the minds Afghans, Iraqies, Llibyians and all memembers of the Muslim brother and sisterhood on hearing the news of british service men giving their lives to bring stability to their Countries  whilst they live here in safety and comfort instead like true countrymen they would pack their bags and go home and assist in bringing the same sort of values and benefits to their own peoples that they get for doing nothing in this country .                      as for the guys we have just lost                         GOD BLESS THEM ALL.                       ---------------------------------- The Mates of those lads will be very Shook Up especialy at the loss of 6 of them , the memory for me goes back to the time that we lost 3 men in one explosion in the Canal Zone in 1952 that was by Booby Trap Iwas with the Royal Lincolns at that time and it realy hit home , So never trust a ba****d in a Galabiha (flowing robe)wearing turned up shoes and smoking a Hubbly Bubbly Pipe.
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Quoting: John (scouse) Hirons We Shall Remember Them. We will, but shouldn't have to, because they shouldn't be there, and should be brought home NOW! In a ten year war, the full might of the Russian Army failed to achieve anything. We have now also been there ten years and have achieved nothing, the country remains a lawless shambles run by a corrupt regime, and its future looks bleak.  Afghanistan is in the middle ages and wants to remain there, and two minutes after the last foreign soldier leaves Afghan soil, the Taliban will simply take over where they left off. So the 404 British lives lost to date will have been lost for what? GET THEM HOME! Last edited by Colin Hall
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Al 8 March 2012 09:26
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Totally agree Colin. We should get out of that God-forsaken country and let them get on with it. You can bet a pound to a penny that when weve all returned home (the complete NATO force) theyll revert to their old ways and the Taliban will take complete control. The loss of life of our British soldiers and those of the other nations involved will just become more names on war memorials across the UK and at the National Arboretum. Also never forget what hardly gets a mention, the thousands wounded with life changing injuries. Afghani tribesmen are natural fighters, and often fought each other, but come together in major conflicts. I reckon that those who should know better totally underestimated the Taliban as a force to be reckoned with, instead, treating then as a ragtag group of terrorists. The definition of terrorism is to terrify, which they do very well, also, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. Back in 1941, the duty idiots of the General Staff in Singapore lost the plot and suffered a humiliating defeat by the Sons of Nippon. Today, the duty idiots in Parliament still dont get the drift and six more British soldiers pay the ultimate price for a lost cause.
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Quoting: maurice robinson Iwander what goes through the minds Afghans, Iraqies, Llibyians and all memembers of the Muslim brother and sisterhood on hearing the news of british service men giving their lives to bring stability to their Countries  whilst they live here in safety and comfort instead like true countrymen they would pack their bags and go home and assist in bringing the same sort of values and benefits to their own peoples that they get for doing nothing in this country .                      as for the guys we have just lost                         GOD BLESS THEM ALL.                       ---------------------------------- What goes on in their minds is what they read in their koran. Over 100 verses related to killing the infidel or unbelievers - that is anyone who does not follow islam. That means us!
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Another 6 lads killed and for what--does this government see that we are not wanted in their country---if Cameron and his motely crew were sent over there and given a rifle a piece and sent into the front line our troops would be out within a week--2014 is too long, get them out now before we lose more of our young lads,we are not appreciated by them for helping them, they have their own troops and police so why are we still there----get them out .get them out now not2014.
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There has been an Officer from one of the Regiments that has lost soldiers in this latest tragedy. When he was asked should we pull out of Afghanistan he said No because of 9/11. I thought we are fighting the Taliban, surely 9/11 was caused by Al Qaeda or am i getting confused ?.
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Quoting: john daly There has been an Officer from one of the Regiments that has lost soldiers in this latest tragedy. When he was asked should we pull out of Afghanistan he said No because of  9/11. I thought we are fighting the Taliban, surely 9/11 was caused by  Al Qaeda or am i getting confused ?. The politicians say that the Taliban are training Al Qaeda, which like most things they say, can be taken with a pinch of salt. The only reason 9/11 happened was because we and the Yanks invaded Iraq. All this talk of restoring democracy, womens rights and all the other rights is a load of tosh. We should pull out of Afghanistan, stop bothering with Syria and let the Arabs sort it out themselves. Its their crap, they can deal with it. Dr David Starkey said, "People resent being liberated, they find it humiliating. We liberated the French in 1945 and they have hated us ever since".
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Terry Carey 9 March 2012 15:52
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Quoting: John Richards Dr David Starkey said, "People resent being liberated, they find it humiliating. We liberated the French in 1945 and they have hated us ever since". They never got over hating us for the First World War when we pulled them out of the sh*t so it simply made them worse when we did it a second time. If there was any justice then Bush and Blair would never sleep another night because of their consciences. You may well ask what consciences? TC.
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Quoting: Dave Whitfield Another 6 lads killed and for what--does this government see that we are not wanted in their country---if Cameron and his motely crew were sent over there and given a rifle a piece and sent into the front line our troops would be out within a week--2014 is too long, get them out now before we lose more of our young lads,we are not appreciated by them for helping them, they have their own troops and police so why are we still there----get them out .get them out now not2014. Well we are constantly being told, by the politicians, the reason our troops are there is to protect this country, cannot really see it, can you? Well, common sense is certainly not their strong point.
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I am one of those who has argued for years that we have lost the Afghan war; that even if we stay for another ten or twenty years, we would change nothing in that corrupt medieval society. Im tired of the crocodile tears of politicians and politically-leaning senior officers In the wake of Tuesday night's losses,trotting out the usual platitudes things like: 'We must stay and finish the job.' Why? To which I say, complete and utter bollocks.! There is no way this century that that war can be won, and Blind Freddy himself can see that all that will happen is that more lives will be lost in a futile military excursion. Bugger 2014, someone find the guts to declare the war over and get those people home NOW. I recall in the 60s the mass protest in the US over the Vietnam war, and the eventual conclusion by the US Government that they had been wrong to go there and wrong to stay. Perhaps a few protests in the UK on the same scale is what is required.
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Sad as it is that we lose young men and women the powers that be will go on telly and say how sad they are and they died for there country then open up another box of soldiers to replace those that are dead or damaged. My wifes nephew goes back to afghanistan later this year with the Royal Marines (4th or 5th) tour to date l hope and pray for his safe return but as he said if out does happen another box will be open and they wont give a stuff if afghanistan gets sorted tommorow then it will be Iran next so its a no win situation and maybe then korea..........somarlia.........stuff knows where next typical bootneck humour
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Quoting: paul knapman Sad as it is that we lose young men and women the powers that be will go on telly and say how sad they are and they died for there country then open up another box of soldiers to replace those that are dead or damaged. My wifes nephew goes back to afghanistan later this year with the Royal Marines (4th or 5th) tour to date l hope and pray for his safe return but as he said if out does happen another box will be open and they  wont give a stuff if afghanistan gets sorted tommorow then it will be Iran next so its a no win situation and maybe then korea..........somarlia.........stuff knows where next typical bootneck humour God forbid anything happens to your lad but the Politician trot out the same platitudes every time. Our hearts go out to the Families, Just empty words,put them away for next time.
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I would like some one to tell me why cant` the poppy fields be burned to the ground,the russkies were there for what 50 years and they pulled out we should not be there we do NOT belong there arab as killed arab for 1000s of years just let them get on with it . Bring our lads home .BRING OUR LADS HOME . BRING OUR LADS HOME NOW .
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Nobby 9 March 2012 20:55
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Quoting: george woolley I would  like some one to tell me why cant` the poppy fields be burned to the ground,t Because, George,Some 3.5 million or 10 percent of the Afghan population is involved in the opium trade, which accounts for 52 percent of the nations legal gross domestic product of 5.2 billion dollars. Most of this money goes to drug trafficking networks rather than to the farmers and labourers who cultivate the fields in remote mountains areas. Destroy the opium fields, and you destroy the economy. Just one more reason why the UK should GET OUT NOW! All the heroin available on Britains streets comes from Afghanistan.
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   For the last 7 years I have tried to convince myself that it was necessary  for us to be in Afghanistan.   The reason for my doing so is quite simple. I have a son serving in the British Army who has served 3 tours there.   British Forces are doing an amazing out there building schools, re-building villages and shops, building bridges etc. etc. but there will never be a changing of mindset among the men who hold the power.  Corruption is deep and endemic, and the moment that ISAF pull out the Taliban and tribal chiefs will be back in charge.  I believe the betting is on whether it will take 4 days, 4 weeks or 4 months.   Only this week Karzai started his appeasement of the Taliban by re-introducing a law allowing men to beat their wives....... 7th March 2012 Reversal: Afghan president Hamid Karzai has backed a strict code of conduct for women in the country Activists have accused the Afghan president of reversing improvements in women's rights after he endorsed a strict 'code of conduct' issued by clerics. Hamid Karzai yesterday backed a document issued by the Ullema Council which promotes segregation of the sexes and allows husbands to beat wives in certain circumstances. The move is seen as part of his attempts to reach out to the Taliban in the lead up to the planned withdrawal of Nato troops from the Afghanistan in 2014. But activists are furious that gains made in women's rights since the 2001 invasion and ensuing occupation are being used as a bargaining chip with Islamic extremists. Prior to the 2001 U.S. invasion, girls were banned from going to school and women forced to wear burkas to conceal them from head to toe. Women were also banned from venturing from their homes being escorted by a male relative. Similarly, the new 'code of conduct' says women should not travel without a male companion and they should not mingle with men in places like schools, markets or offices. Wife-beating is only prohibited if there is no 'Shariah-compliant reason', it said.     And they call it a religion of peace!       Having re-read the above I think I may not have been clear that I believe our Forces should be brought out of Afghanistan as quickly as possible. Politicians are very quick to commit our Forces but never seem to think about the exit strategy and leaving Afghanistan is going to be a logistical nightmare. But how much better could all the money being flushed away in Afghanistan be spent? How about proper borders controls and security. Increased funding on policing and Intelligence services instead of cuts. Can we just start putting our own country and our own people first for a change? Last edited by Pamela Forbes
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Nobby 9 March 2012 22:50
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Ive never understood why we try to do the impossible. We certainly can defeat an army, but we cannot remake a culture. The idea of nation building while propping up a corrupt government is absurd, and the evidence of corruption is as plain as the nose on Karzais face! He and his inner circle of cronies have stolen millions of dollars intended as aid.
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Ceylon220 9 March 2012 23:20
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I was saying this about Afghanistan and about our troops being in there and saying that its one confrontation that we could`nt win---the Russians with all their equipment called it a day and pulled out and this is against a band that has old fire power, using old discarded Russian weapons so would some tell me how our stretched armies are going to win when a nation which was then the largest in the world could`nt beat them, last time that I brought this up I was" poo,pood "and accused of having letting soldiers moral down etc ---I feel for the families of those brave lads who were killed the other day and yet we let those yob type Asians" cat call" and show signs saying that our lads are murderers when they arrive back home and march through the towns and cities and our police ignore them--will someone tell me why we are afraid to arrest and deport this scum who class themselves as British. Many more of our young lads are going to be killed before 2014 when this government says that they can come home,more families grieving for lost sons,fathers,and sweethearts. Next conflict then will be Iran if Cameron and his cronies get their way---another ego trip for the Tories. surprised they have`nt gone to help the people in Syria or are the oil stakes not good enough for them.
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Pamela Forbes 9 March 2012 23:43
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Unfortunately, Dave we have home-grown sickos spouting similar rubbish. A CALLOUS SNP activist marred a Twitter discussion on the deaths of the six soldiers by calling British troops "childkillers" and "ignorant racists". The SNP swiftly distanced themselves from Tommy Balls outburst and he quit the party in disgrace within hours. Ball wrote on Twitter: "Theres no British soldier fighting for anything I believe in - bunch of child-killers." His views sparked disgust but Ball insisted: "I wont support an organisation which bayonets children." And he claimed most British soldiers he had encountered were "racist, arrogant, under-educated thugs who join up for the thrill of killing humans". Just in case anyone has the pleasure of meeting him this is what he looks like.......
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Good on ya Pamela, lets face it, pull a french letter over his head and he would be a proper pr*ck.
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Edward Penny 10 March 2012 15:40
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People are entitled to their opinions and I hope that the SNP activist doesnt need Child Killers to protecte him. or even better his constituants after reading his comments vote for someone else.
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John Raymond 10 March 2012 17:35
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Yes, good on you Pamela for bringing that element into the discussion, a reference to the SNP because of one of their "activists". Before the bandwagon gathers impetus, this clown is totally unknown to anyone in Scotland, including Nicola Sturgeon in whose constituency he was supposed to be "acting". That post of yours seems to be a straight quote from the Scottish Daily Record, hardly a respected journal, and which is totally Labour supporting. Yes, I know that the article goes on to say that he had to quit the SNP in disgrace, but its now in peoples minds that this guy and his views,are associated with the SNP, thanks to the gullibility of Daily" Retard" [sorry,Record] readers. Im sure that the SNP, as well as Scottish people who dont believe all that is in the Record,are aware that any rubbish such as that spouted by Mr Ball and directed at British soldiers would not be worthy of consideration. After all Scots make up a large part of the British Forces.
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Terry Carey 10 March 2012 17:41
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Pamela, I think we all got the correct interpretation of your post - no one doubted that you wished that all our troops be brought home. You have a personal reason I know but it is obvious that that is not your only one for saying what you have said. We are all, I am sure, completely in accordance with you. Equally I am certain that everyone on here hopes that your son comes home safely and that all others serving in that fly blown country do the same. Regrettably 2014 is in some respects a long way off. I hope that the time between now and then passes with as few casualties as possible. As to the SNP clod it makes you wish that he will eventually realise that such views only make for divisions among the peoples who make up the UK. Many English, Welsh and Irish will simply dismiss him as an ignorant Scot as will many less bigoted Scots. They will be right but the tragedy is that some may think that all Scots are the same. We know that they are not. TC.
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Nobby 10 March 2012 17:54
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John Im pretty certain that no one with an ounce of common sense is going to believe for a nano-second that that clown speaks for anyone but himself, and certainly not for the SNP. I read the report too, but not in the Daily Retard! You have to wonder though at the sort of lifestyle someone has lived in order to develop views such as his.
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John Raymond 10 March 2012 18:08
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Terry what the hell does that mean, "less bigoted Scots", are we to assume that all Scots are bigoted but some less than others? "......some may think that all Scots are the same. We know they are not." Well, thank you for that. Colin, an ounce of common sense is not all that common.
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Quoting: John Raymond Terry what the hell does that mean, "less bigoted Scots", are we to assume that all  Scots are bigoted but some less than others? "......some may think that all Scots are the same. We know they are not." Well, thank you for that. Colin, an ounce of common sense is not all that common. A little stretch of comprehension John, for the odd mis- slip, you know full well that all on here are brothers and sisters and would not intentionally have anyone misconstrue their statements, said in the heat of the moment, and misunderstood. We know what Pamela and Terry mean so and we have all done thew same, inadvertantly. Lighten up , love.
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Terry Carey 10 March 2012 18:19
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John, Sincere apologies for the unintended insult. No excuses and I cant remember what I meant to say but it wasnt that. Terry.
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John Raymond 10 March 2012 18:25
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I believe you, Terry, no problem.
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Terry Carey 10 March 2012 18:27
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Thanks for that Patricia. Ive already apologised to John but as you say, we can all slip up and give a wrong impression. All I can say is that I seldom commit any boo-boos so hopefully John will accept my apology. TC.
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The Huntress 10 March 2012 18:29
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Quoting: John Raymond I believe you, Terry, no problem. You are a good lad, John, cheers love.
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John Raymond 10 March 2012 18:59
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Hi, Patricia, you have made some valid points about what we have in common in this place and the fact that posts can be misconstrued. Also to Pamela, I understand your worries about your son, I have a niece who has been in the same situation, [although she is in Northern Ireland at the moment], and I would hate you to think I didnt sympathise with you. Terry, sorry for jumping in as I did, its time to mellow with some nice Glenlivet.
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Pamela Forbes 11 March 2012 00:36
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Hi John, Im sorry you miscontrued my post regarding Tommy Ball. It was in no way intended as anti-Scot only anti-pillock. As a matter of fact I married a Scot, all my sons have very Scottish names and 3 of them were born in Scotland...... and just in case you still have doubts my liqueur of choice at the end of a dining-in night was always Drambuie!! Enjoy your Glenlivet.... Slainte! For anyone thinking that my son is still out there let me reassure them that he returned safely and after a couple of years on DIS and a couple of advanced specialist courses at DISC he is now settling in at a base in a very pleasant part of the UK.
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Johnmc 11 March 2012 08:25
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Hi All, As a former member of the now re-badged Duke of Lancs Regt, its sad to hear of the loss of one of our own. Plus the loss of the Yorkshire lads too, and thats from a proud Lancs lad! RIP lads, Duty done
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Steve Greenwood 11 March 2012 10:18
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George Orwell said "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf" How true is that!!!!!!
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Ceylon220 11 March 2012 22:53
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Yesterday was the day that the sh-t hit the fan--a US Staff sgt went on the rampage and killed 16 civilians --9 being children ,we saw what happened when the US Army tore up the Koran, now we can look out for trouble with a capital T, this action has knocked any peace out there with the Afghan people, it is more likely they will now start supporting the Taliban, I only hope I am wrong for the sake of our troops as well as the other peace keeping forces out there. Last edited by Dave Whitfield
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Terry Carey 12 March 2012 14:19
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Too true Dave. Years of effort and hundreds of Coalition troop deaths and woundings going even more to waste because of some American either going mad or just acting like an idiot. Which it is will probably never be truly known. The best thing to happen would be a summary trial of the man and his execution in public. We know that is very unlikely to happen so watch the death toll rise. TC.
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Mike Pass 12 March 2012 14:35
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If the Taliban keep their reprisals to the US scum I cannot say that I will be particularly bothered. Most of those idiots are not what we know as Soldiers and their ethos and experience comes solely from Hollywood and how the US won every battle in history, including the Trojan War, Thermopolae, The Crimean, The Zulu wars, (particularly Rourkes Drift-there were no Welshman there, really! They were all US actors). This cretins actions will be in movie form within the year!
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Kev B 12 March 2012 14:44
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Well that's a bit of generalization and many US Servicemen and Women are doing the best they can under the a bad situation its politicians who need to have the blame for this type of sad act by one individual! Remember the Coalition Troops a Geneva Convention tied to this war (dont see the Taliban playing by the same rule?) which they cannot win while having so many restrictions rather let the Afghanistan sort their own mess out. Bring all the troops home! Last edited by Kev bywater
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Mike Pass 12 March 2012 15:35
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Ever served alongside US forces, Kev??? I have and I only generalise when I have already satisfied myself that I know what I am talking about. I totally agree with you as to who the thieving, oil hungry scumbags are who bear the responsibility for the mess. All of the UK forces should be back here wasting the criminals of Westminster Palace.
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Ceylon220 12 March 2012 16:05
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Probably come out at the inquest that the guy was on drugs and was not responsible for his action--there`s been a few US service men jailed lately for torture and killing of civilians--wonder if its been that they have been in close proximity of mates getting killed out there in Iraq/Afghanistan. I`ve served with US Navy men at one time in my career and found them to be ok, cannot comment on their Army personnel though.
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Quoting: Pamela Forbes    Unfortunately, Dave we have home-grown 'sickos' spouting similar rubbish.     A CALLOUS SNP activist marred a Twitter discussion on the deaths of the six soldiers by calling British troops "childkillers" and "ignorant racists". The SNP swiftly distanced themselves from Tommy Ball's outburst and he quit the party in disgrace within hours. Ball wrote on Twitter: "There's no British soldier fighting for anything I believe in - bunch of child-killers." His views sparked disgust but Ball insisted: "I won't support an organisation which bayonets children." And he claimed most British soldiers he had encountered were "racist, arrogant, under-educated thugs who join up for the thrill of killing humans".    Just in case anyone has the 'pleasure' of meeting him this is what he looks like.......   Perhaps he needs to express his comments to a bunch of Infantrymen just returned from Afghanistan?? Or, to the families of those who have lost loved ones! I think he would be in need of treatment by the NHS??
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Cave Adsum 12 March 2012 22:49
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Afghan deaths

Perhaps the best thing to come out of this will be the urgent return of all our troops back to the UK - or is that wishful thinking?
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Nobby 13 March 2012 03:42
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We should never have been in Afghanistan in the first place! After more than 10 years in Afghanistan, I really can't see it having a particularly successful ending. No doubt we will leave and the politicians will claim it was all for a good cause, but the real test of whether or not we succeeded will be what happens to the Afghan government and the people at large once we have gone. I give it a matter of days before Karzai and his corrupt Government split with the millions they have stashed away in Swiss bank accounts and it will be a matter of weeks before the Taliban carry on as normal,and mere  months before the Taliban take over again. Last edited by Colin Hall
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Cave Adsum 13 March 2012 13:10
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just like the first Afghan/British war of 1839 or the second of 1878? You would think we learned from history, but we didnt.
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